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labor force. -- 93.7 million. not in the labor force. that has never been that high. almost 94 million americans not a part of this jobs comeback. now what do you think? we chart it, you decide it. jeb bush on with me in couple hours on fox news. trish regan right now. hey, trish. trish: hey, neil, breaking right now, everyone, we just learned how many people tuned into last night's republican presidential debate. 24 million people watched this event, making the highest-rated fox news channel telecast in history. nearly eight million people in the key demographic, this debate that we all saw last night, it goes down in history as the most-watched primary debate ever. welcome, everyone, to "the intelligence report." i am trish regan. again 24 million people watching. most people would agree that donald trump was the big draw here, right? even lifelong democrats, were curious to see how the man known for his brunt talk and making real estate deals would actually perform. there were fireworks right off
the top. >> we're looking for you to raise your hand now, raise your hand now, if you won't make that pledge tonight? mr. trump. [booing] trish: all right. so right now, the gop has a situation, scrambling to deal with, what could be a trump problem. so what happens if trump launch as third party bid? we're asking liberal radio talk show host richard fowler, and mark serrano, former deputy campaign director for president george h.w. bush. amazing numbers. 24 million people. this is a record here for fox news. it is a record for primary debates. we'll have howard kurtz who follows the media beat for us. he will join us momentarily. mark, fir over to you, your reaction on these just blow-away numbers? >> huge numbers. you got to take your hat off to fox news for running an effective debate, selecting the
candidates well. you know it is very interesting you talk about donald trump and this third party run, trishs because it is not just republican partys that should worry about. it is party elites from both sides. tell you why. there are two reasons. number one what donald trump knows and what the party elites don't, is that american voters and the obama economy are much more concerned about finding a job or paying their mortgage than they are about party loyalty. why that is very, very important. there is a poll out this week, that shows that 23% of democrat males support donald trump. there are 14 states that allow open primaries where democrats can vote for republican for president. trish: mark, hold that thought. because i want to get back to that. i want to talk a lot about trump. we're going to over the course of the next hour because we have a lot of questions we want to be asking you. i want to get back to the first of all the fact that you had this amazing tune-in. richard fowler, is that because of trump? >> i think it is not only because of trump.
i think because this field is so fluid. i think one, i think democrats are watching it, watching to see what is being said, what is not being said. sort of to evaluate the circus of the gop primary. i think republicans are tuning in because they have to figure out who they vote for in the next 11 or so months, rather. a lot of them right now, they're up in the air. while donald trump is leading in the polls there were clear standouts last night. one big standout for those what i would call the brass conservative, gop base, is somebody like john kasich who is very electable to independents. very electable to some democrats. he will play well in the state of ohio and did a great job last night. trish: mark, go ahead. >> it was a trump draw too though. you have got to remember, donald trump has something none of these other candidates has. he had experience on television, these past 12 or 14 years. that is a serious draw for a lot of americans. that is why he more unique than most of these other candidates.
he draws ratings for media which is partly what is driving his polling. trish: you about you mentioned something earlier. i think it is important, mark, you're saying that he is tapping into this authenticity and this need for something real out there, from voters. they like him because he is just kind of being super blunt, maybe sometimes frankly too blunt. but, sort of what you see is what you get. he is not going to throw you any -- throws you a lost surprises. i suppose that is what people like. not necessarily, he is not trying to hide behind anything. that may in fact be part of the appeal. you could call it, mark, the ghost of reality out there that was on stage with all these established politicians last night. >> yeah. trish, you know, it is about the mood of the country and the mood of the country is recognizing that democrats first and foremost under the obama administration have led us down, led us a down a path of economic
ruin, that the republican establishment is part of the problem as well. so there is a lot of frustration across the country, look at that job participation rate. my goodness. there are people, millions of people who would like to work and can't or can't work full-time jobs. that is behind this mood because we've, we have gone through this economic ruin. trish: people are, 200,000 jobs a month, i'm sorry just doesn't cut it especially when they're not paying you well. >> right. trish: back to this idea he may actually throw a wrench in everything, running as independent. do you think, richard fowler, could that happen and does that guarranty hillary clinton the white house. >> according to kevin cirilli at hill. he is thinking of running as a third party can state. if he runs as third party candidate it does bode well for democrats. beyond that point i think why trump had meteoric rise, they want realness from candidates.
they don't want talking points. they don't want poll testings overmade up. >> i agree. >> candidates like you saw with jeb bush last night. that is why you're seeing a rise. trish: don't say that about jeb bush. i really wouldn't say that. that is cheap shot there, richard. i think difference -- >> he was very plastic last night, trish. trish: he seemed to me, and we have a body language expert who will break this down momentarily. he seemed to me a little nervous, mark, which was genuine in and of itself. >> yeah. i think in a lot of ways. trish: mark. >> jeb bush definitely showed some strength as a conservative. he was well-prepared. but you know, in a lot of ways i think bush and walker as number two and three candidates did not really bring their a game. i don't think they failed by any measure but i don't think they gained a lot through the debate either last night. there was a lot of high points.
a lot of candidates did extremely well. if you're number two or three you need to score points. trish: they're kind of boring where kasich, nobody really had any expectations from john kasich. he comes out -- >> good point. trish: kasich, he is the guy they're like, wow -- >> in a moment like a debate you have to capitalize on that moment. if you get, maybe six minutes to speak in that two hours of debate, you have got to score some points. some points through that six minutes. kasich did. rubio did. cruz did. trump did. they had some very good highlights. going against nine other guys and having only six minutes you have to capitalize on that time. i don't think jeb bush failed by any measure but i also don't think he scored as well as he could have. trish: any in there, richard, you can think scratch off the list maybe have fallen a rung or two as a result of last night? >> yeah, last night i think definite loser last night was chris christie. he looked like, even though he was biggest person on the stage, literally he was smallest person
on stage when it became to debate technique and tactics. trish: i kind of disagree with you on that. he really took on rand paul straight on. >> i think his career is over. trish: you and your nsa, not wanting phone records to actually be looked at, actual families, i'm out there hugging families who lost their loved once. >> i don't that is enough for him though. trish: i think that resonated. >> the real loser last night, tell me real loser was the democrat party. i'll tell you why. you've got fox news put on this fantastic showcase with 17 candidates through the night that was a win for the republican party. it was a win for anti-establishment mood. but look, the democrats, they're not going to have debate until october. they're only having six. >> i fully disagree with you. trish: certainly no debate like. >> hillary clinton has the advantage. democrats lost last night because the republican has a showcase of great tale lent is
that is ready to lead. >> i completely disagree with you. two reasons why. quickly. trish: very quickly. i have got 30 second. >> first reason, facebook told us number one issue facing american people is race issues. debate, spent 10 seconds talking about it. democrats focused on this. >> try the economy. try jobs. people care about job. >> according to facebook more people are posting about race issues. >> facebook is not likely voters. face books are not likely voters. likely voters care about jobs. >> obama voters. that is what mitt romney said. trish: no. >> jobs. trish: lifeblood of everything, our economy. that is why we talk about it here so much on "the intelligence report." rick, mark, thank you so much. one of third party candidates, ralph nader on deirdre bolton "risk & reward." in case you want to watch the debate all over again, you can tune into fox business tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. we'll see you there.
with 17 candidates in the running last night was the first step towards republican identifying a top party contender for 2016 election. which candidates are voters most impressed with? who do they think fell short? jeff flock is out there in chicago talking to all kinds of people. what are they telling you, jeff? >> it is interesting perspective. this is democratic town. a lot of people, i know the numbers were incredible but a lot of people didn't watch but a lot of democrats did watch. i'm fascinated by what they have to say. this gentleman from new york, chicago, watched the whole thing even though you're a liberal democrat. >> independent liberal democrat, yes. >> why did you watch, what you did you make of it. >> it was incredible. >> incredible in what way? >> it was compelling. the questions were really at a level i never thought they would be. you could clearly see that roger ailes had said, okay we'll get trump.
>> that was your impression. >> no question. the level of questions -- >> they were tough on everybody. >> no, tougher on him. no question the level of his questioning was more demeaning and tougher than other. >> did you watch because of trump? >> yes. >> okay. i appreciate it. thanks for that perspective. as i said, trish, this is a democratic town. the one thing this gentleman did tell me. let me ask him one more thing. you said of all the people, if you had to pick one out of there -- >> john kasich in second. in a second. normal. real good perspective. balanced budgets. has turned ohio around. scott walker hasn't done anything to turn wisconsin around. chris christie has done nothing to turn new jersey around. if you look at statistics, look at stats, i think ted cruz is way too extreme. hasn't done anything in the senate but talk. think john kasich would be one turn my head, i that i would vote for him. >> interesting, a republican, appreciate your comments. a republican group had a watch party last night.
they also liked john case six. am i in the way of food here? i'm so sorry. gumming up the works, trish. there you go. this gentleman has to eat his food. good liberal democrat. interesting perspective. >> the don't get in the way of a man and his burger. interesting kasich is doing so well. thank you so much, jeff flock in chicago. we're analyzing trump's body language for clues what he was thinking in the moment. body language expert tonya ryman joins us here on set. what was your thought overall about him. >> about trump? trish: yeah. >> he is so big and so larger than life you know he is on there not necessarily to be a candidate but to run the show. really if you watch him, the things he says, the way he moves his body he is not there as presidential candidate as much as being there. trish: he is on stage running for president of the united states, running for the nomination. >> he is playing the role. watch him. trish: this is interesting. you don't take him seriously then?
>> i don't take him serious because of the things he said and things he is still willing to say and put out there. trish: why do this though? why do this if you're just playacting? >> because he is donald trump. that is what he does. watch how he moves his body. he is great person as businessman. he has great. mos. he is powerful, he is dominant. if you're in politician you can't have same body language. mos. trish: why not. >> they come across as arrogant and out of control. trish: i'm watching his hands. >> with a politician we need to be controlled as a little box as person who can handle situations not the person who will lose it. trish: one of the reasons he is liz nating is because he is projecting this anti-politician stance. that is why people like him right now. >> that is short term. that is not going to last. if we think about our past presidents and how they present themselves, he won't fit that mold. it is just not going to happen of the his body language is
wonderful for a business person. wonderful for a speaker, not for a presidential candidate. trish: what about those who say the country is in a weird spot right now. we've had a rough eight years. our economy anemic at best. and may like the idea of a guy who has been successful in business, coming in and taking over, taking charge. you don't think that the country is sort of in this spot it might be willing to do something incredibly different? >> i don't think so. based on the past. we've been in difficult situations in the past and we haven't turned to something so dress i can or dramatic. that is what trump is. his goal is to be dramatic. gigantic hand movements they demonstrate, look what we do where you words. our hands frame what our words are trying to say. he puts himself in this little box. when his movements are this big and gestures are this large, almost means that his thinking is that large. he is not controlled. he is just all over the place. trish: that's for sure. he is not controlled. >> yes. trish: thank you so much, tonya.
good to have you here. >> thank you. trish: drones are interfering everyone with firefighting efforts in california. they are grounding planes and putting lives at risk. local officials are going on the offensive. we'll tell you exactly how. president obama getting hit from all sides over this nuclear deal with iran. as top democrat now says he will vote against it while the republican presidential candidates say we need a much tougher commander-in-chief. ♪ >> we need a new commander-in-chief that will stand up to our enemies and that will have credibility. it is worth emphasizing, that iran released our hostages in 1981, the day ronald reagan was sworn into office.
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>> i'll tell you what. if iran was a stock you folks should go out and buy it right now because you will quadruple. what happened in iran is a disgrace and it is going to lead to destruction in large portions of the world. trish: in other words, why are we helping iran, a country that has sponsored terrorism, with the ability to succeed economically while potentially arming themselves with a weapon at the same time? the white house's nuclear deal with iran playing a large part in the conversation in last night's debate. the big headline came from a politician not taking the stage last night. we heard from the third highest ranking democrat in the senate, new york's chuck schumer saying he will not support the accord reached with iran and other nations. other jewish lawmakers are following suit as well. is this beginning of end for the deal? i want to bring in richard fowler, democratic radio show host. richard, i think it is looking like it could get inincreasingly
tough for the president to get this through. he is not getting sport of key democrats like chuck assumer. >> i think president gets deal no matter what and this is why. coalition of democrats and republicans will be voting for deal. i don't think in the house or senate either party can come together to mount a 2/3 of override of veto president would do to fund this deal. i'm not saying this is the best deal in the world. i don't think john kerry or barack obama. the crux of the deal it slows down the ability for iran to get access to nuclear weapon. iran getting access to nuclear weapon in worst-case scenario is probably inevitable. this slows it down to have verification, iaea looking at their fissile material and making analysis whether or not they have the ability to develop. that is very important. trish: we enable their economy to succeed of we enable them to have more money that they can
funnel to groups like hamas and hezbollah as they have in the past. we heard from scott walker on this last night. he is pretty adamant, this is not a good idea. listen to this, richard. >> to me you terminate the deal on day one. you reinstate the sanctions authorized by congress. you go to congress, put in place even more crippling sanctions in place. you convince our allies to do the same. this is not just bad with iran. it is bad with isis tied together. once and all we need a leader to stand up and doing something about it. it yet another example of the failed foreign policy of the obama-clinton doctrine. trish: you admitted yourself it is not the best deal. you heard the president say after 10 to 15 years yeah, very likely they could get access to a nuclear weapon. so why are we pushing something through that is not good for everyone? >> well, like i said this deal slows down their access to getting nuclear weapon. not to machines the fact iran is not only middle eastern country supporting terrorism.
we have ties to saudi arabia is supporting terrorism. we prime pump money the fact we're buying foreign oil. here is the thing, we have to do bring iran into the formal economy. when you bring them into the formal economy they have more to lose by doing rogue state activities. you keep them outside the formal economy you have more rogue state activities. >> it is called realism in political science. what they would say, realist, once you bring people in and they are a player on the world stage in meaningful significant way they will act in rational ways but i think this one's different. and that is because you've got religious extremism involved. and as such, we need to treat it differently. richard, i'm out of time. thank you for joining me. richard fowler. >> see you. trish: u.s. economy adding 215,000 jobs last month. another lackluster report, will this force the fed to pull trigger on raising rates? get out of the way. firefighters in california
. >> i govern as a conservative, and i govern effectively, and the net effect was, during my eight years, 1.3 million jobs were created. 192,000 new private sector jobs in the 5 1/2 years i've been governor. we have a lot of work to do in new jersey, i am darn proud of how i brought the state back. >> i brought the state of ohio to a $2 billion surplus and a gain of 350,000 jobs. >> we more than made up for the jobs that were lost during the recession and the rate people are working is almost five points higher than it was nationally. trish: the governors touting job creation records trying to prove they would be the bev at
getting our country out of job slump we've been in for years now. despite the repeated claims from the candidates, few questions on the economy as the issues take a back seat to electability, planned parenthood, iran, isis, all of these issues as the government releases another lackluster jobs report, not look so good. michael cox with the dallas fed and brian with first west. we've been averaging 200,000 jobs a month, we have unemployment rate 5.3%, at the surface level looks good. then when you peel bactlayers, what you find are that these are lousy jobs that we're adding and they're not enough for people to support their families on. so as such, where does this leave the federal reserve as they contemplate a rate hike in september? >> sure, well, trish, i'm going to disagree a little bit about
the lousy jobs thing. you know we've heard this part-time job story for years now. part-time jobs were actually down 725,000 in the past year. these are all full-time jobs that we've created over the last 12 months. trish: why aren't the wages going up? i mean i would have thought by now, brian, really, wages should have been up, you look at the supply-demand and balance in the labor markets and you would think companies would pay more in order to get people to work for them and yet, wages are stagnant. >> some of this gets a little technical. the wage data that we have isn't good. average hourly earnings don't include tips, bonuses or commissions at all. it's hourly wages. so right on the sufshgs they kind of underreport it. i'm not arguing that people are way better off. it's true. this has been a plow horse
recovery. it's hard to stop it. it's not going to fall over and die, but it's just plowing along, it's not racing along. this isn't a great recovery for standards of living, and my argument is really simple, government is too big. the jockey on the horse is 200 pounds, it should be 115 pounds. if we really want to get standards of living up, we have to shrink government. that's the bottom line. trish: well, and you get at something that is incredibly important right now. michael, we for a structural shift, basically in this economy, you think back historically, we were once an egrarian society, became a manufacturing society, we've gone from a manufacturing into technological and services-based society. as we make the shift, michael, we need less government, less regulation, less taxes, less stuff in the way, because you want to encourage entrepreneurism, you want to encourage new businesses and we don't have that environment
right now? >> that's an absolute fact. you are exactly right. the work we do at the o'neill center shows economic freedom of the world index we measure freedom at 157 countries across the globe. countries that grow the fastest are the most economically free, america has dropped from being the most economically free nation in the world to being in the high teens. it's going to show up in every aspect of the economy, including in the employment picture. because of making laws which help our economy grow, we're saddling increasingly with burdens such as government mandated health care, rules and regulations, dodd-frank and so on, and people are not going add jobs in that environment. if there's nothing in it for the employer, they're not going to add workers. trish: the federal reserve for six plus year has done everything it can do to help the economy along but haven't had the will from washington to embrace business.
embrace entrepreneurism, so we're stuck. where does this leave the fed come september, real quick, michael? >> the fed continues to raise rates until we get closer to the election cycle and realize oops, until the incumbent party realizes i don't want economic consternation at a time they're trying to get re-elected and they'll back off. if job growth slows they'll back off. if you have a political pushback, they're going to back up. don't expect them to keep up with the plans but say they're going to. >> michael, brian, thank you so much. good to talk to you guys. all right everyone, at times it may have been more spectacle than substance, but that didn't stop millions and millions of americans from tuning into last night's debate. and drones are becoming synonymous with mayhem causing major problems at airports and now firefighters are struggling to combat them. how one man is fighting back against the flying machines?
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. trish: 24 million people tuned last night into the debate making it the most watched presidential debate ever. what caused this record breaking viewers? joining me is "countdown to the closing bell" host liz claman and howard kurtz. i know you are both watching very closely. howard, was it trump? was he the reason for the blockbuster numbers? >> well, you can't say donald trump had nothing to do with it. this was more than a debate, it
was a cultural event. i just got off the plane from cleveland. and there was so much excitement. so much interest, and so the combination of trump, all the candidates on the stage, a terrific job of producing compelling, riveting television by bret baier and chris wallace and megyn kelly, it was a perfect storm. trish: you are right about the producing, and it just started off in a very gripping way, by asking all the candidates, liz, would any of you take this pledge to not run as an independent? and it turns out donald trump is the only one willing to go out on a limb saying if i don't get the nomination, i may run as independent. that created this immediate sense of tension right from the get-go? >> it was like better than the "breaking bad" finale, better than the who shot j.r. finale? when bret baier said this is the only raise your hand moment, some people argued
that's a gimmick. who looked at that and said that's a gimmick, that was a substantive question, and i thought bret, chris and megyn were solid as real glacial rocks there. i thought they were very serious. this was not the circus that a lot of people had either anticipated, hoped or criticized that it would be. not at all. there was substance. you just heard jeff flock live in illinois talk to a democratic voter who said it was phenomenal. finally getting people excited about so-called civics again, trish. trish: that matters. howard, there was an interesting piece by frank bruney in the "new york times" praising fox news for what we saw on stage last night, and he said in some ways this sort of debate with this really hard-line questioning, that was the only -- fox news was the only one that could do it and get away with it. what did he mean by that? >> he's a liberal saying i can't believe i'm writing these words, hooray for fox news.
what he meant was if the same question had been asked by a bunch of msnbc anchors, they would say you are pro democrats giving the republicans a hard time. these questions didn't happen by accident. i sat in a windowless conference room with bret and megyn and chris and the team and went over the questions again and again and again trying to find the weaknesses for each candidate. cutting off escape route and made it into compelling television. for people that don't follow business that closely, 24 million is the highest rated in the history of fox news channel. it's a phenomenon. trish: what does this tell us, liz, about the election cycle? >> people are engaged. they will definitely tune into the next one. howard may know who has it. >> cnn. >> cnn, cnn has a bar, cnn does this very well, too. fox took it to a different level. they wove in the social media.
they had the crowd. they had the people, the crowd in the second debate. the facebook, it was a very active event, but again, very serious. i thought that when donald trump was pushing chris at a certain point, he was rock solid, same with megyn, there was no wavering, and i really believe this will get everybody more involved and see what happens with the democrats because they've just announced their debate schedule too. trish: listen, it was the best debate i've ever seen, i don't know but guys. >> riveting. trish: thank you so much, liz and howard, great to have you here. >> good to be here. trish: if you weren't one of the nearly 24 million people who watched or want to watch it all over again because it was that good. tune into fox business tomorrow night, reairing the show starting at 8:00 p.m. here eastern time. are all politicians for sale? donald trump says he gives to everyone, and he gets favors from everyone in return. so will the donald in and his
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. trish: all right, everyone, let's take a look at these markets on a day when the jobs report came out. you got the dow off 87 points, s&p down nearly 12, and the nasdaq composite trading down almost 1% there. 37 points. we had been down triple digits, paring some of the losses on the dow after the jobs report
for july came out slightly below expectations. really not a very exciting job report there, 5.3% still the unemployment rate and adding roughly 200,000 jobs a month. energy stocks getting hit today as well thanks to another slide in oil prices. oil is now below $44 a barrel. it is good news for consumers, lower prices at the gas pump. mcdonald's is cutting about 225 corporate jobs. you can see mcdonald's trading down slightly there. more of "the intelligence report" after this. can a business have a mind?
can a business be...alive? . trish: trump's ties to democrats and the role of big money in politics, played a major role in last night's debate, specifically trump's donations to the clinton and nancy pelosi all came under fire. here's how he responded when it came to hillary clinton. >> and i give to everybody, when they call, i give. and you know what? when i need something from them, two years later, three years later, i call them they are there for me. that's a broken system. >> what did you get from hillary clinton and nancy pelosi? >> i tell you what, with hillary clinton i said be at my wedding and she came to my wedding. you know why? she has no choice because i gave. trish: because he's paying the bills. radio host and economist brian westbury. this is the problem, really,
with washington and with politics and everyone feels it. this idea that the politicians effectively are on the strings of the guys with all the money, so they're acting as puppets and you know, i don't know, unless you get rid of all lobbying altogether how you get rid of this problem? >> first thing you do is shrink the size of government. i mean government is in every area, every industry, every nook and cranny of our lives, and we all know from our state and local governments which we are were closer to, how the scratching each other's back works. and it just happens in a bigger way in washington. we've tried to do it. for example, the municipal bond industry, you are not allowed if you issue new municipal bonds to contribute to candidates that make decisions about issuing municipal bonds, but nobody does that for the
ex-im bank, the cities with the pension funds or salaries, there is so much corruption and cronyism that goes on, it's fascinating that donald trump just says it straight out like that, but he's right. and it happens, and the only way to stop it is to make government smaller, so that they aren't such a big part of our lives. trish: you know, richard, this is ultimately why people like trump. he was on this program just the other day, and we asked him about whether or not he could afford to do this 100% himself? and he said absolutely. i don't need to take a dime from anyone. listen to this. >> the beauty is i don't need any money. i need nobody's money, so that's part of the beauty, and a lot of people, very interesting, trish, that resonates with a lot of people. trish: it sure does. they don't want their politicians, richard, having to work on behalf of a particular industry or business just
because that industry or business is contributing to the campaign. >> you are exactly right, trish, the way we saw this, we have to reverse the citizens united decision by the supreme court a couple years ago which allowed for businesses and rich people to give indiscriminately to candidates with no limits, with no checks. that means a billionaire can give a candidate billionaire and say i want you to go to the floor and vote this way every single time. it increases the power of millionaires and billionaires and decreases the power of everyday voters. >> follow the logic through, if we say we're not going to allow big contributions anymore, we're going to have two things. you'll have career politicians who have name recognition because they've always been in the political eye, and you'll have wealthy individuals running. wouldn't that effectively come down to that kind of scenario, brian? >> not at all. trish: brian? go ahead, brian! give me your thoughts. >> sorry!
you know what? you're right there, trish, let me take this a step farther. how come people on welfare get to vote. if you're getting money from government, why do they vote are from a politician. >> oh, stop. >> the idea of people buying off votes, it makes no sense. the government is too big. trish: okay, richard, take a stab at that one. >> wait a minute, wait a minute. trish: i know you are frothing at the mouth to get on that one. should people on welfare not be able to vote? >> that's the most absurd thing i've heard all day, almost more absurd. >> it's absurd for me. >> the gop nomination, but here's the truth, the truth of the matter is -- millionaires and billionaires can give with no limits to candidates. >> okay, you can bash millionaires and billionaires all you want. >> the koch brothers are going to spend more than both combined on the election. >> i can't hear either one of you!
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. trish: high winds and extremely dry conditions are not the only issues battling firefighters in california right now. now they have to worry about drone interference, officials are pushing legislation that would impose harsher punishments on people convicted of using drones that obstruct firefighting efforts. joining me is san diego county board of supervisors chairman bill horn, you are fighting back chairman horn against the drones. what is the problem now as you address the fire situation? >> well, our big issue here,
and i have to protect 3.2 million people in the county. san diego county has always been prone to large fires. at the moment thank god we don't have any. they're all in northern california. but at the same time, to have interference, we've been able to keep most of our fires this season to 10 acres or less because we can bring in air attack. with the drone in the area, in the vicinity, we saw this in cajon pass, you have to ground the aircraft. whether you are using jets that can intake into the engines, the drone, or prop drops, you wind up hitting the drones, we have to ground our air attack until we get them out of the way. trish: what are the drones doing? what are they trying to do? just get pictures of this? >> i call them looky-loos, unfortunately the drones are very cheap. they're not very expensive, and i won't call them idiots but we have people without common sense flying these drones to
get the pictures, and i have life and property and danger here, and the quicker i can put a fire out or get in there, without any interference, and this is a new item that's now interference. trish: could you just shoot them down? this is -- look, it's coming up over and over again, we had a gentleman on the show the other day from kentucky who had one of the drones lurking above his yard where the kids were, he got out rifle and shot the thing down, he wound up in a lot of trouble because of it. is there any way to block it off and say look, you guys do not have rights to the airspace, you got to get out, or else? >> well, that's why i'm supporting the federal legislation. i think there ought to be more than a lot of teeth in this. i don't write the law but i can enforce the law. i -- we recently had a fire last week in san diego. a drone showed up right next to a lateral firefighter in north
park and they turned the hose on it and blew it out of the sky. i'm not suggesting we shoot people's drones down. trish: it's just a hose, right? >> yeah, exactly. trish: you are hosing it out of there. >> here's what our helicopters for using jet aircraft on a big fire, that's a big problem, and if we're using prop jobs, the twin-engines, that's another problem. if they hit one of the drones it could put the prop out of balance, it endangers the pilots, the people on the ground and keeps us from attacking, you know, property and life problems that we're there to save. trish: you got some real work to do. thank you so much. appreciate you joining us today, chairman horn. >> thank you. trish: coming up next everyone, i've got intel on the president's 2 1/2 week long vacation. 17 days this guy has taken.
. trish: all right, president obama is set to head out to his summer vacation in just about two hours. a day earlier than originally planned. president obama is leaving for the massachusetts island of martha's vineyard with his entire first family. he's planned no public events during the 17 days he'll spend at a rented 7 bedroom, 9 bath property. 17 days? you know, i can't even think of the last time i -- i don't think i've ever taken a 17-day vacation while i was working. i mean when i got married. but that was probably 14 days, inta. must be good to be the president of the united states. when you can take 17-day vacations in the midst of all we have going on right now in this country. of course, we got the jobs report today, not look so great. again, averaging roughly 200,000 jobs added to the economy, but they're not great jobs and an unemployment rate
that hangs in there at 5.3%. there is some concern that the fed is going to raise rates in september and that's one of the reasons you're seeing a market that's down today. though off the lows we saw earlier, off 84 points right now. liz claman is getting ready to take you all into the close on this friday afternoon. liz: we got a decent jobs report, trish, and the dow falls as the index heads for its seventh straight loss, pushed lower by the solid jobs report for july that virtually screams here comes the fed rate hike after 17 republican presidential candidates barely scratched the surface on job creation or on the economy. in two separate debates last night on fox news, the primetime debate was a major hit nonetheless for the news channel. 24 million viewers tuning in making it the most watched cable news program ever. political junkies tuning into see what donald trump, jeb bush, scott walker and the others